I wanted to ask you a question..I see some links to the Calvary Chapel Church. A friend of mine has stated to me that the founder of that church is a false prophet. I looked it up at one point and found out that he made i believe 2-3 false prophecies regarding the 2nd coming of Christ and or the end of the world. Its was supposed to hapen sometime in the 70's and another time i guess in the 80's

It is my understanding that when a predicted prophecy in this case from a person who says its from God comes to pass and it does not happen..Well it wasnt of God and from satan. satan is liar.

No man knows the time date year of Jesus's return..Not even Jesus. The man I'm refering to is Chuck Smith

Hi

Me again. I also notice something else that I forgot to mention in the other email I sent to you. The logo for Calvary Chapel is an upside down dove. I have read and heard that this is a satanic symbol and for it to be of God the dove would have to be either pointing up or at least drawn as if its on its belly....Am I wrong...

In Christ

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In the book "Dateline Earth: Countdown to Eternity," (1989) on page 26, Chuck Smith criticized Edgar Wisenant for predicting Jesus would return in September, 1988, although he doesn't name him. "A well-meaning Christian wrote a well-publicized book in which he explained why the rapture would occur in September 1988 . He had 88 reasons to support his contention, and backed up his claims by the fact that the was a former NASA engineer, accustomed to solving complicated mathematical mysteries. He was certainly well-intentioned --- including about his revised prediction of September 1989, when September 1988 came and went --- but he was also dead wrong."

That sounds a lot like the Watch Unto Prayer email and their "Timeline" and reasoning for the 'projected' March 31/April 1 date, which also was proven dead wrong. As were their prior calculations.

On the same page, Smith also wrote about the Jehovah's Witnesses:

The Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, thought the world was sure to end in 1914. When it didn't happen, they merely moved the date up a few years...In more recent times, the Witnesses picked 1975 as the year...'

On page 27 he states, "Anyone who presumes to give a specific date must be regarded with skepticism...Jesus Himself said that when He returns He will come like a thief in the night--but because of all the erroneous predictions and false prophets, there will be many who will disregard the legitimate signs of His coming."

Yet in typical hypocritical fashion, on page 35 of "End Times" (1978), written ten years prior to his Dateline Earth, Chuck Smith proclaimed, "I believe that the generation of 1948 is the last generation. Since a generation of judgment is forty years and the Tribulation period lasts seven years, I believe the Lord could come back for His Church any time before the Tribulation starts, which would mean any time before 1981. (1948 + 40 - 7 = 1981)."

Chuck Smith had taught that Jesus would return by May of 1981 in a number of his books and messages. When the May prediction failed the date was moved to December 31, 1981. Obviously the predictions were proven false, although many had believed with him and many remained with his Biblical disobedience.

In his book Future Survival, again from 1978 and published by Word for Today, on page 17 Chuck Smith wrote, "We're the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. ... Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988."

On pages 20-21, Smith expounded that, "From my understanding of biblical prophecies, I'm convinced that the Lord is coming for His Church before the end of 1981. I could be wrong, but its a deep conviction in my heart, and all my plans are predicated upon that belief...The Lord said that towards the end of the Tribulation period the sun would scorch men who dwell upon the face of the earth. (Rev. 16). The year 1986 would fit just about right. " [Bolding, underline added]

He doesn't end the hypocritical and false theology there. On Page 49, "...one of the reasons I believe that man has come to the end of his time is the rebirth of the nation Israel....So, the rebirth of the nation Israel marks the final generation of man upon the earth in this present order...."

Prior to those predictions, Smith's 1976 book, Snatched Away, defined that a generation related to the "generation that was living in May of 1948 shall not pass until the second coming of Jesus Christ takes place and the kingdom of God be established upon the earth." p. 23.

Like many other false prophets, Smith changed the 1948 generation date to 1967 and then proceeded to expound that the year 2000 had to be the date for the rapture. In his 1978 book End Times, Smith allows for the change of date by saying, "However, it is possible that Jesus is dating the beginning of the generation from 1967, when Jerusalem was again under Israeli control for the first time since 587 B.C. We don't know for sure which year actually marks the beginning of the last generation." [pp35-36]

According to a former adherent to Calvary Chapel, on a December 1996 Radio program, Smith denied ever setting a date.

"A caller to the To Every Man An Answer radio program on KWVE, on 12-27-96 asked Chuck Smith a question about date setting and Calvary Chapel.

... at some point there was a prediction of Christ's return via Calvary Chapel - is that real; some years ago? is that; did that happen?

Smith responded with:

No. Uh, never, we all, we do believe he's going to return soon, and, uh, but, and but never any date. No. No. No. Never any date. Because no man knows the day or the hour. I believe he's going to come this next year, but [laughter] you know..." [CC >http://members.tripod.com/ccfuaq/cc2ndcom.htm]

Since the date setting was publicly published in printed books, we know that to deny the date setting is wrong. That same article relates the following very sad information.

"Chuck Smith was out of town Sunday Morning, 22 June 1997. In his place was David Hocking. From the Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa pulpit on David Hocking admitted that:

"I was in a conference in New York with Dave Hunt recently and he said something very provocative about the lack of interest in prophecy. He went back a few years especially in the early days when Calvary Chapel was beginning. How excited we were. Oh, some of the prophecy preachers got a little out of hand and those plagues like Revelation 9 were Vietnam helicopters and you know we sort of started dating things and we were even told that a generation is fourty years, and when Israel became a nation in 1948 it would be fourty years and then the Lord would come. So we back it up seven. So the rapture is coming in 1981. I've met people all over this country who believed that, followed that, anticipated that. It did not come and as a result many of them bombed out, dropped out, copped out; they're not around anymore."

"What was the response of the church members to 1981 date?"

"Lot's of people were with Chuck on that final midnight New Year's Eve at the end of 1981 who went home disappointed. Some of our friends were there and they left the faith not long after that." [CC>http://members.tripod.com/ccfuaq/cc2ndcom.htm]

Is God the author of lies? Does He set Himself up to be proven false, so that shame is brought upon our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Hardly.

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Dave Hunt and The Berean Call May 1993 issue are in agreement with other leaders who teach Jesus died spiritually. Mr. Hunt attends Bend Bible Fellowship, which is a Plymouth Brethren Church. Tom McMahon attends Eastmont Church in Bend which is Conservative Baptist.

"Question: In the March/April 1993 issue, of Perhaps Today, Jack Van Impe writes that Jesus died spiritually..."the Lord Jesus Christ took both the first and second death-the grave and the Lake of Fire upon Himself when He died." Pastor David Hocking also taught that Jesus died spiritually. Recently, on the radio, Chuck Smith stated that Jesus' Spirit died. Did Jesus die spiritually? Was the Trinity separated? If the Spirit of God died, who was in charge of the universe while God was dead...?"

Answer: Van Impe, Hocking, and Smith are Biblically correct in this regard. Confusion arises because "Jesus Died Spiritually (JDS)" is the label attached to the heresy taught by Hagin, Copeland and other "word-faith teachers"..."

If "JDS" is heresy when one person teaches it, it's heresy when another teaches it. Our Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Infinite, Unchangeable, Living God, who is Spirit, died Spiritually? Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh and has the same attributes as the Father, "For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Col.2:9

John 16:15 "All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

1 John 1:1-2 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us:)

Hebrew 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, to purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

John 14:16, 18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; v.18. "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

We must wonder if they have all forgotten what Jesus himself, whose 'body' and "blood" was sacrificed, said to the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Hebrews 10:10 "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Colossians 1:20-21 " And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

1 Peter 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

Psalm 16:10 David speaking: "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."

John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

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The Way International began with Victor Paul Wierwille. Rather than go into an in-depth timeline of events for the Way development, an overview of doctrine will be addressed. Wierwille developed many of his theological ideas by plagiarizing from such writers as E. W. Bullinger, George Lamsa, Kenyon and several others. Victor Paul Wierwille was eventually part of the Jesus People movement, and is remembered by the Jesus Movement website.

".... Believing that much of the Christian was in error, in 1955 Wierwille founded The Way to educate young men and women in the "correct way of biblical education." ... The Way International raised the ire of other Christian groups, labelled a "cult" because of their antitrinitarian views. One of the largest of all the extremist groups of the Jesus People movement, by the mid-1970s the organization boasted over 20,000 active members..." 1

It is noteworthy that it was Victor Wierwille who went to the House of Acts in 1968 and gave Ted Wise, the Heefners, Doops and Lonnie and Connie Frisbee, and several others their understanding of the Holy Spirit. Wierwille worked miracles, cast out demons--which he did while teaching them about the Holy Spirit, as well as teaching them how to speak tongues, all in one night. The Heefners and Doops joined Wierwille and helped set up his national organization. 2

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

When first challenged by Ted Wise, who was one of the founding 'fathers' of the Jesus people movement, about his belief in Christ and even though he rejected the divinity of Jesus Christ, Wierwille passed with flying colors.

"And that pleased Wierwille," said Heefner, "he liked that up-frontness. And he gave his witness. So by the time he was through with two or three minutes of talking, we said, 'Okay, fella, we believe you.'" 3

Lonnie and Connie Frisbee and the Wises began taking Wierwille's PFAL classes and then discontinued. Lonnie then went to join Chuck Smith in Costa Mesa's Calvary Chapel, which caused an explosion on growth. Frisbee eventually joined with John Wimber, who had also been with Chuck Smith. Wimber later split and helped start the Vineyard movement with Frisbee joining him and also others. For More on Lonnie Frisbee and John Wimber, See: What Happened in Africa?; Part 2: Taking the Mark; Quaking Like Quakers; Wheat and Tares; More Manifestations LESS Bible, etc.

The Way International teachings include: Jesus Christ is not God, denial of the three persons of the Godhead, i.e. no Father, Son and Holy Spirit, 4 Mary was not the mother of God come in the flesh, but the mother of a man, the Old and New Testaments were originally written in Aramaic, pro-abortion, bad seed theology, mass weddings, stockpiling of weapons, American holocaust and invasion, them or us mentality and much more. 5

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist...9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

See also Titus 2:13-- ...the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Chuck Smith had been openly supportive of tongues and signs and wonders with Lonnie Frisbee and also through his previous association with Foursquare Churches and the Vineyard. He now suggests tongues are acceptable in private. In his 1982 book Charisma vs. Charismania, Chuck Smith teaches that the "abuse of tongues" (i.e., blurting out gibberish in a formal church service) makes one a "charismaniac," but speaking in tongues as a private prayer language is not only acceptable, but encouraged and an enjoyable "experience." 73. However, according to adherents and others who have left Calvary Chapels, tongues and signs and wonders continue at CC in Bible studies and after regular services.

Response to Rich:

My first response:

Thanks for visiting my site, and I hope it does "have the goods" as you said.

Honestly, I'm not familiar with the origins of the dove of Calvary Chapel. I know as a graphic artist, that logos can just be innocent creations, and anyone can create their own meanings for those logos. Since there is no Scriptural definition of how we should draw the dove, I personally think, that person who told you that is "straining at a gnat." But let me know where the information is on that, and I'll check it out.

As for Chuck Smith being a false prophet, I don't believe he is, but he can be wrong about things. I don't recollect him ever setting a date for the return of Christ. If you could show me what he said and when, I'll check it out. But remember, In the 70s it was popular for a lot of people to speculate, especially since Hal Lindsey published "The Late Great Planet Earth" in 1969. Even now, I love to try to figure out when it's going to happen although I never will. I make speculative guesses, and am just waiting to see what happens. I don't publish them, but no matter when it happens or if it happens in our lifetime, we need to be constantly ready. Chuck Smith does have a free e-book called "The Tribulation and the Church", which is available at www.calvarychapel.com (click on "Library" at the top, then "E-Books" on the left menu.) Hopefully that will answer your questions. I have heard a few things people have said about Chuck Smith, but if you read his books, those "rumors" fall apart. In the end times we can expect false prophets and teachers, but we can also expect false accusations against true men of God. I'm not placing Chuck Smith on any pedestal, because he is human, and can make mistakes. I'm just saying, be careful and check your sources.

God bless you,
Martha Miller

My second response:

I am concerned however, that Vicky Dillen is quoting a woman known to be divisive to the body. I'm speaking of Constance Cumbey. In my investigation, I've discovered that she is alleged to be paranoid and delusional, and she thinks she was the first to discover the New Age movement. She also has attacked knowledgeable men of God such as Walter Martin and also those who have worked with Rev. Martin. CRI released a statement regarding Cumbey and her unfounded accusations against Rev. Martin and CRI. (http://www.equip.org/free/DC825.pdf) Those I have talked to and articles I have read about Mrs. Cumbey alleges that she 'sees a conspiracy' whenever a person disagrees with her or doesn't invite her to speak at a conference. I've been told that she even accused the proof readers, of her second book, of putting in typos to discredit her. In my opinion that's flaky. I don't care how many degrees she has, or how prestigious of a lawyer she may be, I would not trust a person like that to give me accurate information.  Therefore, if Vicky Dillen relies upon Cumbey, I'd have to question Vicky Dillen's gullibility.

Mrs. Dillen's accusations against Dave Hunt are completely unfounded. I read the May 1993 issue of the Berean Call and it said nothing of Dave Hunt believing that Jesus died spiritually.  I received an email from the Berean Call which states, "As you have pointed out, Dave does not support the teaching that Jesus died spiritually as individuals such as Kenneth Copeland teach. Where Dillen and others are getting such notions from are some comments of Dave in a May 1993 Q&A being taken out of context.

Some of her other statements are incorrect. Dave does attend Bend Bible Fellowship, which is not a Plymouth Brethren church, although some of its practices are similar.

Tom no longer attends Eastmont Church in Bend."

Apparently, Mrs. Dillen isn't doing a very good job of investigating her sources. Plus, she doesn't update or change the incorrect information regarding her "subjects."  She does not quote the radio program where Chuck Smith supposedly said that Jesus died spiritually, nor does she reveal her sources regarding David Hocking. She appears to be like her mentor, Constance Cumbey, and misquotes and misunderstands her sources. I would not rely upon her as a valid source at all.

Mrs. Dillen sent me an email that stated she would be willing to correct anything on her website that was not true, but she didn't do that for Bill and Jackie Alnor. He tried to correct her concerning an "ancient" minuscule issue of his resumé, but she just twisted and distorted his words to keep the malicious slant to her "critique". I don't know who Mrs. Dillen is, but it appears that she thinks everyone should answer to her. Who is she? What ministry is she involved in? Why should anyone take the time to answer to her? These people don't have the time to answer every person that sends them questionaires. In my opinion, she needs to accurately read what they publish and stop looking for conspiracies.  She needs to find out for sure if they have repented. If they have repented, as Chuck Smith has, then she is sinning by saying that Jesus' blood isn't sufficient to cover those sins. It seems that they must go through an inquisition under the gavel of Vicky Dillen first, before God can or will forgive them.   I have also been informed that she is a "Ruckmanite," which is basically a KJV only cult.  I did email Moriel.org which exposes this sect (http://www.moriel.org/discernment.htm#here)and they responded, that Vicky Dillen is a member of the "...Ruckmanite conspiracy theory cult that holds that the 1611 edition of the King James bible is the only word of God and is more authoratative than the original Greek and Hebrew.

Anyone holding to the original languages is seen by them as apostate. They are very anti- Semitic (because they elevate 17th century English above the original Hebrew ) and frankly ignorant in matters such as the original languages and manuscript history where they pretend to have expertise. The cult has others such as Barbara Aho and mainly consists of women. The discerment page on the Moriel web site has a section addressed to their wild beliefs and antics."
I do believe Moriel knows their stuff, unlike what Vicky Dillen accuses them of.  The fact that she misquotes Chuck Smith and the others, claiming they are ecumenical, is proof that Dillen does NOT do her research.  All these people have written against ecumenicism.  If she did proper research, she'd know that.  I would not ever consider her as a reliable or serious source.

I'm not called to defend any man or woman, but I do not believe Chuck Smith should be considered a false prophet.  Now, his son, Chuck Smith, Jr. has entered into ecumenicism and mysticism, and [as of this writing] his church in Capo-Beach has defiantly retained the name of Calvary Chapel.   But I don't believe we can place the label of "false prophet" upon Chuck Smith, Sr. because of his obvious repentance, and the fruit of his life.  A true false prophet would continue propogating the lies and adding to them to cause the people of God to stumble, like his son is allowing.  Chuck Smith no longer makes "predictions," nor sells the books Mrs. Dillen quoted from, besides some are over 25 years old.  How long does a person have to "pay for their sins" under Vicky Dillen's reign?  Where's the grace she claims to speak with?   But if Chuck Smith, Sr. does ever earn the title of false prophet or teacher, I would be one of the first to let you know.  It was very difficult for me to place Billy Graham on my list of those who are entering into error.  I love that man as a spiritual Grandpa, but he had to be placed upon my "error" list.  I couldn't turn a blind eye to his blatant errors, but from what I can see, he is still bearing good fruit. I just hold out hope that he will repent.

Sincerely,

Martha Miller

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